1 00:00:10,210 --> 00:00:13,970 Angel: Now I am very happy to have you all here 2 00:00:13,970 --> 00:00:18,580 for the next talk on a really important topic. 3 00:00:18,580 --> 00:00:21,150 And we all called last year for 4 00:00:21,150 --> 00:00:24,820 more creative campaigns on all our issues, 5 00:00:24,820 --> 00:00:27,049 that we talk about here at congress. 6 00:00:27,049 --> 00:00:29,939 And so the Peng! Collective thought about a 7 00:00:29,939 --> 00:00:32,110 really creative campaign that also got 8 00:00:32,110 --> 00:00:34,940 a lot of attention in the last year. 9 00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:37,280 And because they call for all 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,329 the intelligence officers to really exit 11 00:00:40,329 --> 00:00:43,870 their careers and to find some other 12 00:00:43,870 --> 00:00:48,710 more valuable service to our society, 13 00:00:48,710 --> 00:00:50,580 I'm very honoured to introduce 14 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:53,070 Gloria Spindle to you, 15 00:00:53,070 --> 00:00:57,219 who is a former Google nest employee, 16 00:00:57,219 --> 00:01:01,740 —You might remember that great campaign— 17 00:01:01,740 --> 00:01:05,690 and will now present the "Intelexit" to you. 18 00:01:05,690 --> 00:01:07,140 Thank you! Your Applause! 19 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:09,060 *applause* 20 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:23,270 *silence on the audio stream* 21 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:25,900 Gloria: Hello! 22 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:28,770 And hello to all the live streaming people out there as well. 23 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:31,959 Blubb blubb we can see you! 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,030 I hear they're a lot, maybe more than what's in this room. 25 00:01:35,049 --> 00:01:36,600 All the lights are dimming. 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,909 Okay, so! I don't know if anyone else 27 00:01:39,909 --> 00:01:42,219 is as interested in the parts 28 00:01:42,219 --> 00:01:44,299 of the Snowdon documents as I am, 29 00:01:44,299 --> 00:01:48,689 which are the kind of little cultural titbits that you find that give you a sense of 30 00:01:48,689 --> 00:01:52,740 what it's like to be within the Secret Service. 31 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:57,930 I'm really kind of fascinated by this particular gentleman. 32 00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:01,700 The SIGINT Philosopher, who was a columnist 33 00:02:01,700 --> 00:02:04,979 for the NSA on the internal news letter 34 00:02:04,979 --> 00:02:07,140 and he is really quite creative 35 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:09,480 and he writes a lot of pieces 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,450 about the ethical quandaries of working in the Secret Services. 37 00:02:12,450 --> 00:02:14,170 And most of them end with just like: 38 00:02:14,170 --> 00:02:16,350 "You should just like keep your head down and you should just keep doing 39 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:17,830 what you're supposed to be doing, 40 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:22,300 'cause that's the best way to go ahead and protect your county." 41 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:25,690 So this quote is really the kind of crux 42 00:02:25,690 --> 00:02:31,190 of what the “Intelexit” Initiative is founded on. 43 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:33,580 We recognise that people who are working 44 00:02:33,580 --> 00:02:35,980 in the Secret Services, and I'm sure 45 00:02:35,980 --> 00:02:38,970 some of you in the audience tonight 46 00:02:38,970 --> 00:02:44,350 are working in the Secret Services 47 00:02:44,350 --> 00:02:50,030 — pretty certain there are some disgruntled, maybe unhappy, 48 00:02:50,030 --> 00:02:54,080 maybe ethically confused people working in spy agencies, 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,470 maybe you're just a contractor 50 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:59,770 and you feel like: Oh I'm not so involved, 51 00:02:59,770 --> 00:03:04,940 but I still feel like I have blood on my hands. 52 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:08,020 And those are the people that “Intelexit” is talking to. 53 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:09,440 *very mild applause* 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,580 That was like have a clap. I mean come on, people! 55 00:03:12,580 --> 00:03:14,290 *applause* 56 00:03:14,290 --> 00:03:16,290 Thank you! Thank you! Jesus! 57 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:19,200 Don't be afraid of clapping! 58 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,090 So those are the people that “Intelexit” is really talking to. 59 00:03:23,090 --> 00:03:25,230 And we wanted to reach out to those people, 60 00:03:25,230 --> 00:03:28,590 because there hasn't been a campaign yet that has actually recognised, 61 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:30,450 that they are humans working, 62 00:03:30,450 --> 00:03:32,380 thousands and thousands of people 63 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:36,650 going every day to their surveillance jobs, operating drones 64 00:03:36,650 --> 00:03:38,800 and even the people who are just 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,790 answering emails or you know pushing paper, 66 00:03:41,790 --> 00:03:44,410 running the photocopy machine, if they even have those. 67 00:03:44,410 --> 00:03:46,120 — Who knows what they have in there — 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Those People, they are people who obviously 69 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,120 have ethical issues about working 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,510 in these systems 71 00:03:54,510 --> 00:03:57,640 and feel responsible for mass surveillance, 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,250 drone warfare and the slow, maybe fast, 73 00:04:01,250 --> 00:04:05,370 degradation of democracy as we know it. 74 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:11,240 So, introducing “Intelexit”! 75 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,690 *applause* 76 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:18,810 So what Intelexit does is 77 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:22,029 it's an initiative, a civil initiative 78 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:24,870 grounded in the idea that we need to find a way 79 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:27,180 to support people who want to leave 80 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:28,750 their jobs at the Secret Services 81 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:32,449 and we need to normalise the idea of quitting. 82 00:04:32,449 --> 00:04:35,420 *applause* 83 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:39,949 Because actually it's a very just and 84 00:04:39,949 --> 00:04:41,729 sometimes honourable thing to do, 85 00:04:41,729 --> 00:04:43,370 just to follow your ethics and 86 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:44,366 give up your job, 87 00:04:44,366 --> 00:04:49,079 if you don't feel like you're contributing to society in a good way. 88 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:50,539 *applause* 89 00:04:50,539 --> 00:04:55,610 So that’s why Intelexit pitch. 90 00:04:55,610 --> 00:04:57,050 Some of you might know: 91 00:04:57,050 --> 00:04:59,300 I'm from Peng! as it was introduced earlier 92 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:02,949 and we are known for our hoaxes 93 00:05:02,949 --> 00:05:06,319 and our media hacks and our culture jamming. 94 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:09,580 So intelexit is been a really, really interesting campaign for us 95 00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:12,770 and I’ll explain it as I go. 96 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:15,240 Because of course you see it's a bit of 97 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,830 performance and it's a bit of humour 98 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:19,960 but it's also very serious at the same time. 99 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,800 So, just to introduce Peng! to you, 100 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,539 for those who don't know. 101 00:05:24,539 --> 00:05:28,759 Here we were... this was at re:publica 102 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,669 impersonating Google managers and 103 00:05:32,669 --> 00:05:34,590 presenting some really creepy, 104 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:36,199 data collecting products. 105 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:38,399 A personal drone for daily life, 106 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:41,839 an app that monitors your well-being, emotional well being, 107 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,879 and matches you with other people who also need a hug 108 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:47,889 and creepy thing about that is most 109 00:05:47,889 --> 00:05:50,800 of this distopian visions have now actually 110 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,699 come to light and are existing 111 00:05:52,699 --> 00:05:54,530 in the real world today. 112 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:57,959 Actually people do use drones to follow their children to school. 113 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:00,259 That's a real thing. 114 00:06:00,259 --> 00:06:04,559 So and here we are impersonating the leading party of Germany 115 00:06:04,559 --> 00:06:08,470 and here we are in live television, cracking an egg over the head of a presenter 116 00:06:08,470 --> 00:06:10,830 of a very dodgy television program 117 00:06:10,830 --> 00:06:15,949 and this was our program to self.... 118 00:06:15,949 --> 00:06:20,579 provide self help for trolls, sexist trolls on twitter 119 00:06:20,579 --> 00:06:22,279 and that was our self help coach. 120 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,860 We had a bot army which was analyse... 121 00:06:24,860 --> 00:06:27,240 we had a language analysis happening on twitter 122 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,590 and then we had an army of 160 bots 123 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:31,650 which were going out and enrolling trolls 124 00:06:31,650 --> 00:06:34,469 on twitter into our self help program 125 00:06:34,469 --> 00:06:37,310 and sending them nice inspirational videos 126 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:39,649 every day to help cure them. 127 00:06:39,649 --> 00:06:45,189 *applause* 128 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:46,749 So as you can see we have a... 129 00:06:46,749 --> 00:06:50,039 we utilise a range of tactics and techniques 130 00:06:50,039 --> 00:06:52,479 in what we call campaigning. 131 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:55,740 Some people call it art, some people call it theatre, 132 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:59,190 some people call it a joke, some call it entertainment, 133 00:06:59,190 --> 00:07:02,420 but we see it as campaigning and what we are constantly trying to do 134 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:04,350 is to shift the narrative. We look at... 135 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:07,370 shift the narrative around various social justice issues. 136 00:07:07,370 --> 00:07:09,479 We look at issues we think that really need 137 00:07:09,479 --> 00:07:11,860 a kind of different spin happening in the media 138 00:07:11,860 --> 00:07:15,809 and we take them and find a way to reframe them and then we push them out 139 00:07:15,809 --> 00:07:18,620 and hope that we get a lot of attention. 140 00:07:18,620 --> 00:07:21,840 So we started looking at the issue of 141 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,419 surveillance and the Secret Services. 142 00:07:25,419 --> 00:07:30,120 And, well, quickly one runs into the obstacle 143 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,590 of how do you talk about this. 144 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:36,320 Like we have this clichés of, you know, 145 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,370 the eye and, you know, Edward Snowden’s face 146 00:07:41,370 --> 00:07:43,669 and we have these visuals that kind of 147 00:07:43,669 --> 00:07:45,479 don't really mean anything anymore 148 00:07:45,479 --> 00:07:48,020 and everyone really struggles to actually understand 149 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:50,210 what the issue means and how do we talk about 150 00:07:50,210 --> 00:07:56,900 the Secret Services, when they're completely inaccessible to us? 151 00:07:56,900 --> 00:08:02,259 So this a photo, for example, of the regulations 152 00:08:02,259 --> 00:08:05,599 for taking photographs at Fort Meade. 153 00:08:05,599 --> 00:08:09,009 You see, you’re not really allowed to take photographs of the buildings. 154 00:08:09,009 --> 00:08:10,949 So if you start with that as a kind of metaphor 155 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:14,879 for the inaccessibility of the Secret Services 156 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:17,259 to our general culture. 157 00:08:17,259 --> 00:08:19,249 We don't even have visuals for them. 158 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:22,020 We've got like one photo of the NSA that floats around the internet 159 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:25,509 and just gets repurposed and repurposed. 160 00:08:25,509 --> 00:08:27,119 We can't access these people, 161 00:08:27,119 --> 00:08:29,979 we can't access their structures, we can't access their information. 162 00:08:29,979 --> 00:08:34,459 Yes we have leaks now, but how do we actually open it up more? 163 00:08:34,459 --> 00:08:37,729 And that was the question, we kept asking ourselves. 164 00:08:37,729 --> 00:08:41,669 You've got this issue of intangibility 165 00:08:41,669 --> 00:08:43,400 and then you also got the issue that 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,640 everything is so secret. 167 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,320 I mean even if a Christmas card is sent internally in the NSA, 168 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,690 it's classified as top secret. 169 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:55,150 Then you've got technology which is so complicated 170 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:57,270 the general public can't understand it 171 00:08:57,270 --> 00:09:00,650 and it's like all these acronyms and these 172 00:09:00,650 --> 00:09:02,760 weird flow charts and bad design 173 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,330 and it's just really complicated. 174 00:09:05,330 --> 00:09:08,640 And then of course there is fear. 175 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,940 And Fear is really crippling for activists 176 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:13,850 like ourselves, for civil society. It is really difficult. 177 00:09:13,850 --> 00:09:15,660 We don't want to broach this issue. 178 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:17,130 We don't want to step into it, 179 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:19,550 because it's scary, because once you step into it, 180 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:23,440 it means that you are a target, of course. 181 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,270 And also, funny enough, fear is also the way 182 00:09:26,270 --> 00:09:27,710 the narrative is often shaped. 183 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:30,060 This is what we use, to try and raise awareness 184 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:32,270 about surveillance. We make people afraid. 185 00:09:32,270 --> 00:09:34,670 We, you know, we talk about this invincible, 186 00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:39,480 dark danger of surveillance creeping in on us. 187 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,660 No one knows, if they’re being watched or not. 188 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:47,450 And this, we think, is a narrative that really needs to be shifted. 189 00:09:47,450 --> 00:09:51,590 So we wanted to find a way to bring hope, 190 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:56,060 to bring a positive image to this narrative 191 00:09:56,060 --> 00:09:58,520 and also to bring it down to humans 192 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,340 like not to talk about technology, 193 00:10:01,340 --> 00:10:03,640 not to talk about these dark and complex systems 194 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,290 but to talk about the people 195 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:09,350 and talk to the people who are upholding these structures. 196 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:11,940 So this is what we came up with: 197 00:10:11,940 --> 00:10:16,770 off-voice from video: Right now, thousands of people work 198 00:10:16,770 --> 00:10:19,740 in the shadows of the intelligence community. 199 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,220 They don't ask questions. 200 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:24,860 They follow orders. 201 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:27,000 Keep their heads down, 202 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,290 do their work. 203 00:10:28,290 --> 00:10:32,080 But what happens, when you see something you can't forget? 204 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,540 And you realise that the system you are 205 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:38,030 part of is chipping away our democracy 206 00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:40,230 every hour, every day. 207 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:44,240 You feel stuck, overwhelmed. 208 00:10:44,290 --> 00:10:49,110 Some people have already made the decision to leave. 209 00:10:49,690 --> 00:10:53,750 Others are thinking about it every day. 210 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:58,210 Intelexit helps people break free from the intelligence community 211 00:10:58,210 --> 00:11:01,960 and build a new life. 212 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,420 You expose yourself within the system, 213 00:11:05,420 --> 00:11:08,820 you ultimately end up being forced out of the system. 214 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,700 I remember confronting my immediate supervisor 215 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:14,960 the number 3 person: What are we doing? 216 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,720 We are violating the constitution! 217 00:11:22,660 --> 00:11:27,350 – Many Secret Service employees are disillusioned. 218 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:29,910 – Why are we taking equipment 219 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:34,190 —it is traditionally for foreign facing, outward facing— 220 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:36,760 and we're now instrumenting our networks 221 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,630 within the United States of America? 222 00:11:38,630 --> 00:11:42,160 - If you're surveilling the population, you're all on the same side. 223 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,450 Right? You want all the data and you want to talk to people who have the most data. 224 00:11:47,450 --> 00:11:52,910 So the NSA is a nexus of surveillance for the world. 225 00:11:52,910 --> 00:11:55,560 – It's what ever you can get away with. 226 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:57,540 That was part of the "game". 227 00:11:57,540 --> 00:12:01,950 And whatever would serve as the interest of "national security". 228 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:06,330 – When one is forced to act against one's moral values, they can experience 229 00:12:06,330 --> 00:12:09,750 extreme levels of what we call cognitive dissonance. 230 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:25,480 – I was radioactive because I'm questioning what are we doing. 231 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,440 Where do you then go? Where does your life then … 232 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Where do you recreate your life? 233 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,240 – What Intelexit does is help individuals 234 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,910 transition from the world on the inside 235 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:40,350 to the world on the outside. 236 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,260 – The more you can move from the inside to the outside, 237 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:50,110 the better you'll integrate into the real world. 238 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:54,550 – What is really great about Intelexit is that it helps people to confront their fears. 239 00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:55,780 – So take it from me: 240 00:12:55,780 --> 00:12:58,240 If you're looking to get out, try Intelexit! 241 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:03,260 – Be smart. Exit intelligence now. 242 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:11,080 *roaring applause* 243 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,140 I was really impressed with Bruce Schneier there. 244 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:17,590 Bruce Schneier is just amazing without end. 245 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:19,870 I mean, who knew he had those talents? 246 00:13:19,870 --> 00:13:21,630 Someone take him to acting school. 247 00:13:21,630 --> 00:13:24,000 Like, it's amazing! 248 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,240 Okay, so then we made the video, 249 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,450 but of course we knew, we know that the people that we are talking to 250 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:33,880 the spies, are some of the most introverted people in the world. 251 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,920 And probably some of them the people 252 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,140 most stuck in a filter bubble in the world. 253 00:13:38,140 --> 00:13:41,190 So we knew we had to kind of take our preach further 254 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:44,290 and we had to go to where they are. 255 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:48,590 So you know we thought big and we pretended 256 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:51,780 we just forgot about that we didn't really have a budget. 257 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:55,060 And so we just hired a van. Because that's what you do. 258 00:13:55,060 --> 00:13:58,480 So we just hired this van and drove around 259 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,660 Fort Meade and the NSA buildings, 260 00:14:01,660 --> 00:14:06,320 tried as much as we could to get as close as possible to them as we could. 261 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:12,640 *applause* 262 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,190 So this is outside Lockheed Martin 263 00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:17,730 on a national business parkway. 264 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:20,950 The main area of all the NSA contractors 265 00:14:20,950 --> 00:14:25,260 and they are really best friend with the NSA and now they started making drones as well. 266 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:29,820 They’ve been supplying technology to the military and the CIA and NSA forever. 267 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:33,780 So that’s us parked outside there, giving them a strong moral punch 268 00:14:33,780 --> 00:14:36,890 with the slogan. 269 00:14:36,890 --> 00:14:40,600 And then we went to one of the most popular 270 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,440 cafes where NSA officers and contractors like to go for lunch. 271 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,740 This Café JOE. And we parked out there 272 00:14:46,740 --> 00:14:49,580 during lunch time as well. 273 00:14:49,580 --> 00:14:52,920 *applause* 274 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,570 And then of course, because you can't talk 275 00:14:55,570 --> 00:14:58,620 about the Secret Services in one country without talking about the other ones, 276 00:14:58,620 --> 00:14:59,880 'cause they are all in bed with each other, 277 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,570 we of course had to go to the UK as well. 278 00:15:01,570 --> 00:15:09,100 So here we are outside the "Donut" and this is us trying … 279 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:12,330 okay, to be honest *laughing* 280 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:15,360 that's trying to hand out flyer, brochures to the people. 281 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,510 Like that was our plan. 282 00:15:16,510 --> 00:15:19,290 We were gonna hand them out to the employees on their way to work. 283 00:15:19,290 --> 00:15:21,990 And they were just like *imitates engine roar* they had, like, been briefed.. 284 00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:24,330 or I don't know. They were just ignoring us. 285 00:15:24,330 --> 00:15:27,000 And also maybe we didn't brief that guy 286 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,010 very well on what to dress as an Intelexit ambassador. 287 00:15:33,010 --> 00:15:38,500 And then we hit all the … *laughter in the audience* 288 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:44,190 applause 289 00:15:44,190 --> 00:15:46,800 This is outside the Dagger Complex in Germany. 290 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,580 One of the lesser known spots for the NSA 291 00:15:49,580 --> 00:15:51,490 where they kind of have a central hub 292 00:15:51,490 --> 00:15:54,430 for the signal's intelligence gathering in Europe, 293 00:15:54,430 --> 00:15:56,490 it's been written about in the Spiegel. 294 00:15:56,490 --> 00:16:00,730 Very secret, very difficult to get there as well. 295 00:16:00,730 --> 00:16:02,530 And there we are, again, from the other side. 296 00:16:02,530 --> 00:16:07,480 And that is the antenna from the Dagger Complex. 297 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,680 And then we also went to Wiesbaden, 298 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,840 which is the traditional home of the US military in Germany 299 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,300 And the Clay Kaserne Building! 300 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:19,740 This is where supposedly, forthcoming 301 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:22,240 is going to be one of the NSA’s biggest buildings 302 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,310 and operations in Europe, also all very secret. 303 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:27,340 No one knows what's going on. 304 00:16:27,340 --> 00:16:31,830 And then we went to the US Embassy in Berlin. 305 00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:35,040 And this for non German speakers just says: 306 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,380 "Enough with paranoia!" 307 00:16:36,380 --> 00:16:39,130 This is why we had the like dadaistic pineapple on there. 308 00:16:39,130 --> 00:16:43,260 "We’re helping you to get out of the Secret Services!" 309 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:45,990 And then we went to the German Secret Services as well. 310 00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:49,160 This is there new office block, the Bundesnachrichtendienst 311 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,510 *applause* 312 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:56,130 and we also went to the old offices, just in case. 313 00:16:56,130 --> 00:16:59,130 *laughter and applause* 314 00:16:59,130 --> 00:17:03,060 And then we went to … —we did a lot in a week— 315 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:05,429 we went to the Verfassungsschutz which is 316 00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:07,789 the domestic intelligence in Germany. 317 00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:12,459 And this is located in Köln, to remind them about 318 00:17:12,459 --> 00:17:17,499 —so the Verfassungsschutz actually stands for roughly translated in English is: 319 00:17:17,499 --> 00:17:19,599 Protectors of the constitution— 320 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,398 and in order to remind them about the constitution 321 00:17:21,398 --> 00:17:24,219 we stuck the constitution on their wall there. 322 00:17:24,219 --> 00:17:29,789 *applause* 323 00:17:29,789 --> 00:17:32,460 And then there they are ripping it up. 324 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:35,390 This was like a dream we had for a very long time 325 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:38,530 and finally we have realized it. *laughing* 326 00:17:38,530 --> 00:17:43,350 And then we thought we take a bigger step... 327 00:17:43,350 --> 00:18:02,640 *music* 328 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,990 *laughter in the audience* 329 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:19,370 *music* 330 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:32,270 *applause in the audience* 331 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,710 According to sources, Intelexit website 332 00:18:35,710 --> 00:18:41,510 was blocked on the internal network after that dropped. 333 00:18:43,399 --> 00:18:48,120 So that was our week and that was Intelexit. 334 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,969 And I just want to share a few learnings with you, 335 00:18:50,969 --> 00:18:53,299 because it was a very interesting campaign for us 336 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:55,950 and one of a kind, really. 337 00:18:55,950 --> 00:18:58,649 So I think the first thing on a very kind of 338 00:18:58,649 --> 00:19:01,399 just basic level is that it is possible 339 00:19:01,399 --> 00:19:05,230 to talk about this issue without creating fear, 340 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:07,799 without making everyone, you know, 341 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,879 really worried about their information 342 00:19:10,879 --> 00:19:13,780 and the data and their general feeling of well-being. 343 00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:15,909 There is a way of kind of shift the narrative 344 00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:19,460 and look more at the outside and stop 345 00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:21,950 holding the defensive. 346 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:27,019 Okay, then second thing is that 347 00:19:27,019 --> 00:19:29,940 they are just as good in faking as we are. 348 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:33,510 This was the response from the GCHQ to a 349 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:39,550 journalist question for an article about Intelexit, which is amazing, 350 00:19:39,550 --> 00:19:42,070 because they basically just said that they don’t do 351 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:45,200 anything unlawful and they actively encourage 352 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,639 staff to discuss any concerns that they have 353 00:19:47,639 --> 00:19:51,379 inside, which we all know is not true. 354 00:19:51,379 --> 00:19:53,590 And they also they really pride themselves 355 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:57,209 on the structures they have in place to support this. 356 00:19:57,489 --> 00:20:01,199 So I think this was the biggest surprise for us. 357 00:20:01,199 --> 00:20:02,809 Like we are always dealing in this kind of 358 00:20:02,809 --> 00:20:05,330 projecting of either utopias or distopias 359 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:06,749 out into the world 360 00:20:06,749 --> 00:20:09,480 and sometimes when you have a vision 361 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,099 and you project something out, 362 00:20:11,099 --> 00:20:13,059 actually it kind of turns into reality. 363 00:20:13,059 --> 00:20:14,700 And that's what happened. 364 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:16,330 You know, we played this line of 365 00:20:16,330 --> 00:20:18,619 yes it's sort of a fake, but at the same time 366 00:20:18,619 --> 00:20:20,830 we really mean what we’re putting out here. 367 00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:24,269 Yes, we actually think there should be an Intelexit Foundation created. 368 00:20:24,269 --> 00:20:26,090 And there should be loads of money 369 00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:28,159 flowing in for people who want to get out. 370 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:30,589 And there should be a civil way to exit. 371 00:20:30,589 --> 00:20:32,179 *applause* 372 00:20:32,179 --> 00:20:34,539 But, you know, what can we do? 373 00:20:34,539 --> 00:20:37,070 We're just like a small art collective 374 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:38,940 in Berlin. You know. 375 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:41,559 We can make a big wave, but we're 376 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:44,090 quite limited on our resources. 377 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:45,769 But actually we got responses, 378 00:20:45,769 --> 00:20:49,129 we got people coming to us 379 00:20:49,129 --> 00:20:50,610 and that was a real surprise 380 00:20:50,610 --> 00:20:56,119 and we realised we have a lot of responsibility, too. 381 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,259 And so, this is the other learning that 382 00:20:58,259 --> 00:21:00,760 there is no clear line between insanity and reality. 383 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,970 So you kind of constantly, when you get 384 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,919 people contacting you this like, 385 00:21:04,919 --> 00:21:06,990 of course you get people who think that 386 00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:08,529 they are pursued by the CIA 387 00:21:08,529 --> 00:21:11,889 or think that they used to work at the secret service 388 00:21:11,889 --> 00:21:14,090 and then there is people who talk to aliens 389 00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:16,720 and these kinds of things 390 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,029 and then you get people with really legitimate stories 391 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:22,639 and there is a kind of constant balance 392 00:21:22,639 --> 00:21:24,100 and we really had to learn how to 393 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:25,659 assess these. 394 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:28,360 And luckily we had amazing support from 395 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,840 investigative journalists, particularly from 396 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,320 whistle-blower platforms who have experience 397 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,169 with this and help us. 398 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:38,869 But that's just part of the game. 399 00:21:38,869 --> 00:21:41,529 Okay, I think this is our other learning, 400 00:21:41,529 --> 00:21:42,480 that we realised, that 401 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,850 at the end of this week, 402 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:45,549 there really is a need for this. 403 00:21:45,549 --> 00:21:54,039 There is a need to respond to kind of 404 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:54,789 discourse that's out there 405 00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:55,509 and create a new one 406 00:21:55,509 --> 00:21:57,269 and then there is also really a need to 407 00:21:57,269 --> 00:22:01,009 provide this kind of support and 408 00:22:01,009 --> 00:22:03,149 actually reach out to people who are 409 00:22:03,149 --> 00:22:06,970 trapped in these structures and want to get out. 410 00:22:06,970 --> 00:22:08,759 So we've been working really hard and trying 411 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,639 to build up networks of support with people 412 00:22:12,639 --> 00:22:14,059 who have legal skills, 413 00:22:14,059 --> 00:22:17,940 who have psychological training 414 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:19,990 and who can also help, if people want to 415 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:22,289 get out and leak or blow the whistle, 416 00:22:22,289 --> 00:22:23,230 who can help with that. 417 00:22:23,230 --> 00:22:26,480 So we kind of at the moment when people come 418 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,450 we are trying to direct them to the right resources. 419 00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:30,269 Because of cause we're not 420 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:32,409 a whistle blowing platform. 421 00:22:32,409 --> 00:22:36,480 And we are not a legal organisation, 422 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,919 so we can't provide a lot of things, 423 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:40,269 but we have good networks and we can try 424 00:22:40,269 --> 00:22:44,619 and connect people with them. 425 00:22:44,619 --> 00:22:50,059 So what's coming next? 426 00:22:50,059 --> 00:22:51,409 We are trying to build up our infrastructure 427 00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:54,629 so that people can actually have a very secure way 428 00:22:54,629 --> 00:22:55,929 to contact us. 429 00:22:55,929 --> 00:22:58,419 We are building up this network of support 430 00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:02,100 and we want to create a list of future 431 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,730 employers for people who actually do leave 432 00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:05,759 the secret services so that they can find 433 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:08,169 places to get jobs afterwards. 434 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:09,490 And we want to continue doing more 435 00:23:09,490 --> 00:23:11,200 outreach and more campaigning on this issue 436 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,600 and I think that that is our main goal. 437 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,490 applause 438 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:22,340 That's a safe within a safe, 439 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:26,240 which is now part of our kind of secure 440 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,159 infrastructure in our offices, 441 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:30,499 thanks to the support of very experienced 442 00:23:30,499 --> 00:23:32,299 and knowledgeable expert people 443 00:23:32,299 --> 00:23:35,149 who can help us set up the kind of 444 00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:38,639 the best way for people to kind of 445 00:23:38,639 --> 00:23:42,460 to enter the risk assessment to enter the 446 00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:46,700 best means of communicating with us. 447 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:49,070 And then on our outreach plans 448 00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:53,659 we really want to create a way to talk to 449 00:23:53,659 --> 00:23:56,830 people who're working in the secret services 450 00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:59,110 for an every day person in this audience 451 00:23:59,110 --> 00:24:02,559 or on the stage just to call up the NSA 452 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,509 or the BND or the GCHQ and get through 453 00:24:05,509 --> 00:24:07,289 to someone who is sitting in their office 454 00:24:07,289 --> 00:24:09,340 on their phone and have a conversation 455 00:24:09,340 --> 00:24:10,919 with them like callcenter-style. 456 00:24:10,919 --> 00:24:13,909 You know like: How are you doing today? 457 00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:16,330 Can we talk about your job? 458 00:24:16,330 --> 00:24:20,019 How do you feel about working at the 459 00:24:20,019 --> 00:24:25,519 secret services? 460 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:28,129 We want to create an anonymous reaching 461 00:24:28,129 --> 00:24:30,639 system for someone to call completely 462 00:24:30,639 --> 00:24:34,470 anonymously to a set of numbers 463 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:39,080 which we can't reveal the source of 464 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,200 and to reach out to these people. 465 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,110 So of course we need support and help. 466 00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:53,649 And these are all the things you can help us with. 467 00:24:53,649 --> 00:24:56,659 If you got skills, we need all kinds of skills, 468 00:24:56,659 --> 00:25:00,539 we need skills to build up this call center 469 00:25:00,539 --> 00:25:03,070 operation of ours, so that people can actually 470 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:07,710 anonymously call and we can have something 471 00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:10,830 that is very exciting and we can premier at 472 00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:11,489 events. 473 00:25:11,489 --> 00:25:13,179 So that you can actually have 474 00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:17,149 call center operations on stage calling up 475 00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:19,820 doing it live. 476 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:22,289 And then we also need people who will 477 00:25:22,289 --> 00:25:25,659 translate our materials. 478 00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:26,720 We would like to get them into other 479 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,059 languages, we only have English and German atm. 480 00:25:30,059 --> 00:25:32,379 And we would like to kind of reach out more 481 00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:35,320 internationally. 482 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 And if you've got connections, 483 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,460 well that's also always good, 484 00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:42,919 if you've got people who are lawyers, 485 00:25:42,919 --> 00:25:46,129 who have experience working with people 486 00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:49,460 who are either in trauma or 487 00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:51,419 people who have been in the secret service 488 00:25:51,419 --> 00:25:53,919 for example. 489 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:55,799 Legal skills, psychological skills, 490 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,679 journalists - we need all those kinds of 491 00:25:57,679 --> 00:25:59,239 connections in different jurisdictions. 492 00:25:59,239 --> 00:26:03,039 We are pretty well set up in Berlin and 493 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:05,919 in Germany, but we really need help 494 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:09,090 in the UK and the US as well for now. 495 00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:10,889 And then if you've got ideas for outreach 496 00:26:10,889 --> 00:26:12,879 for new actions we are also really open 497 00:26:12,879 --> 00:26:14,330 to hearing those. 498 00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:16,279 We've got the call center idea at the moment. 499 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:17,070 Calling up the spies. 500 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:20,980 We want new ideas and if you know people 501 00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:22,509 who are working there just have that 502 00:26:22,509 --> 00:26:24,100 conversation with them. 503 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:26,710 Just start a conversation about you know, 504 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,770 ethics of the workplace. 505 00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:34,989 applause 506 00:26:34,989 --> 00:26:38,289 And now... the big question... 507 00:26:38,289 --> 00:26:45,539 And I even do that to say how important it is. 508 00:26:45,539 --> 00:26:47,759 If you like Peng!'s work we are not ashamed 509 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,409 any more. We were ashamed for a long time 510 00:26:49,409 --> 00:26:49,970 to ask for money, 511 00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:51,509 but we're not ashamed any more. 512 00:26:51,509 --> 00:26:54,350 We live of idealism alone, people, 513 00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:57,320 and we need help to keep our actions going! 514 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,200 This year I think we did 6 actions or something 515 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,950 really large campaigns and we need help to 516 00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:06,619 kind of support our infrastructure, 517 00:27:06,619 --> 00:27:09,289 to support our staff, 518 00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:12,480 to support our projects more than anything, 519 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,580 so that we can keep on doing what we are doing. 520 00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:19,049 So we've developed a way for you to become 521 00:27:19,049 --> 00:27:22,230 a monkey donator which I highly recommend 522 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:26,450 great feelings of positivity and love will 523 00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:28,830 travel with you for many years after 524 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:35,299 you have done this. 525 00:27:35,299 --> 00:27:37,399 Mother Theresa said: 526 00:27:37,399 --> 00:27:39,100 If you can't feed a hundred penguins, 527 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:40,669 then just feed one." 528 00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:43,629 So, feed one of us! 529 00:27:43,629 --> 00:27:45,470 Even if it's just like the pinky finger of 530 00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:49,429 one of us and sign up for a year to 531 00:27:49,429 --> 00:27:51,330 keep seeing great action coming out 532 00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:54,070 from Peng! 533 00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:55,200 And that's me. 534 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,169 And we've got one more thing, 535 00:27:57,169 --> 00:28:01,919 surprise! Where are you? Hello! 536 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:03,989 So we have one other way to donate, 537 00:28:03,989 --> 00:28:05,289 which is that you can buy one of the 538 00:28:05,289 --> 00:28:07,149 awesome Intelexit T-shirts, 539 00:28:07,149 --> 00:28:09,379 which Paul is gonna come here and model 540 00:28:09,379 --> 00:28:13,029 for us quickly. 541 00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:15,950 *laughing and applause* 542 00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:19,460 And there's a run for your life! 543 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:20,609 That's the kind of lame one... 544 00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:24,409 but these ones are cool! 545 00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:26,840 Thank you! 546 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,609 Are we meeting afterwards? 547 00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:31,999 I think we're going to have... 548 00:28:31,999 --> 00:28:33,019 We don't have time for questions 549 00:28:33,019 --> 00:28:33,669 and answers now. 550 00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:35,080 But we really want to get feedback 551 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,499 from people. 552 00:28:35,499 --> 00:28:38,029 I think there is an IRC Chat or Radio happening, 553 00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:39,509 but if people want to come we're going 554 00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:41,090 to meet. 555 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:43,580 Where are we meeting? 556 00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:45,290 In front! 557 00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:47,139 *laughing* 558 00:28:47,139 --> 00:28:50,980 Of this huge hall. 559 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:51,940 Can someone give me a location, 560 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:54,470 I only got here today... 561 00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:55,799 Can you give us a location? 562 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:56,989 Herald: Okay, So it's sensible to meet 563 00:28:56,989 --> 00:28:58,269 at the tea tent I suppose. 564 00:28:58,269 --> 00:28:58,940 Gloria: Tea tent! 565 00:28:58,940 --> 00:28:59,619 In 15 minutes! 566 00:28:59,619 --> 00:29:02,139 Herald: In front of hall 2, there is a big tea tent, 567 00:29:02,139 --> 00:29:05,249 where you get tea, where you also 568 00:29:05,249 --> 00:29:06,820 meet many other people who are working 569 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:08,649 in this direction therefore, right? 570 00:29:08,649 --> 00:29:09,289 Gloria: Yes! 571 00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:11,679 Herald: And I have one question still, 572 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:14,789 because you told we can support on the Internet 573 00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:17,850 is there also a way to donate anonymously? 574 00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:20,960 Gloria: Well, you can donate with bitcoin 575 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,759 or you can just give us cash. 576 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,480 Herald: Everybody, big piles of cash, 577 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,749 bring them here! 578 00:29:27,749 --> 00:29:32,299 Gloria: Not saying no to cash... 579 00:29:32,299 --> 00:29:33,639 Herald: Thank you, Gloria! 580 00:29:33,639 --> 00:29:34,970 Gloria: Ah, they got a bag! 581 00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:37,779 Herald: And there is a bag for cash! 582 00:29:37,779 --> 00:29:39,239 *laughing* 583 00:29:39,239 --> 00:29:41,909 Gloria: You can put it in very anonymously here. 584 00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:46,499 *laughing* 585 00:29:46,499 --> 00:29:49,600 Herald: Bring your blocking for your face 586 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,340 if you really want to be anonymous. 587 00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:53,960 Thank you, Gloria! 588 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,259 Everybody who wants to come, 589 00:29:55,259 --> 00:29:56,350 please go to the tea tent! 590 00:29:56,350 --> 00:30:02,392 *applause* 591 00:30:02,392 --> 00:30:13,292 *music*